Let me clear up that the title is a joke. A friend of mine actually used this line on herself because her name is so... strange. Those who are offended, proceed to the x on your top right corner. Those who are not, proceed to keep scrolling. [Sorry, this is a rant so I'm in a mood and I'd rather not deal with people who get annoyed at every little thing.]
I also want to say that this post doesn't mean that I hate people who don't have normal names. If you have a name that is "different," be proud of it. No, my qualms are with how in some books, it seems like having a weird name is the most important thing. [I don't consider a name like Sigmund weird. No, I mean like Linoleum.]
What I don't understand is how so much of the YA I'm reading features these unique names. And unfortunately, these names don't sound good at all. Personal opinion, but some of them make me want to cringe. Can you imagine a HELLO MY NAME IS... with someone's name being Hallelujah [and it isn't Christian fic.]
For instance, if you've got a name like America Singer, wouldn't you get teased? This has actually made me question YA multiple times. How has no one found fault with the one-of-a-kind names and teased the kid? I'm not saying that it's right because it isn't but as a kid, whenever a substitute would pronounce someone's name wrong, we would all die from laughter. And truth be told, it wasn't that funny. We were all in like fourth grade.
Well, maybe I shouldn't be talking, "Nova Lee Zaiden" but a) we can't choose our last name and b) I know more than one Nova. [The Cockerspaniel dog in Scooby Doo.] Plus, I've gotten teased before, particularly during science class in grade six when we were learning about space. And they ask why I hate science...]
It isn't even the last name [we can't control these things, just ask my friend Alyssa Butt.] America. The country. Hello guys, I'm Canada Lee Zaiden. Nice to meet you.
I go to a school with diversity but with the majority still being white. Names like Sarah, Olivia, Nicole [holy crap, there are a lot of Nicoles] and Ryan [same deal with Nicoles] are the typical. However, the school I used to go to was majority South Asia so I had to quickly learn how to pronounce names that were different from mine. Maybe that's why this bugs me. There were always a few kids had such different names that you would never pronounce it right on the first try. For example, Sima [pronounced: sim-ah. Like Simba without the b.] I always thought it was awful and it isn't anyone's fault but that's why you should spell your name when you go to Starbucks. Take it from a girl called "Nivea."
Maybe we can blame the world of the story. I'm willing to let things go for Tolkien-esque stories where you need the fantasy sounding names. I'm totally willing to let it go for books that aren't set in our time [but also makes me wonder if in the future we're all going to have weird names and it's going to become the norm.] But a lot of times I'll be reading a contemporary set in modern day. [And yes, the main character often hates her own name and wishes to be called a common form of her name. Just ask Normandy Pale - who likes to be called Mandy.]
I don't think I've ever read a story where the name of a character is significant. Maybe in the beginning, there will be some ice breaker with a funny story but then it just doesn't matter. And since the MC might opt to be called something other than their birth name, what's the point of even mentioning it?
Would you stop reading a book because of a character's name?
Probably not? I have no idea. I tend to get easily annoyed - as you can probably tell. However, I don't think I would judge an author's ability and story by the character's name alone. However, if a bunch of things annoy me, the character's name throughout the story would bother the crap out of me and just tip the scale.
You know something annoys you but it doesn't annoy you enough to stop? Like when the quality of a movie is terrible but the movie is good. I'd still watch that movie.
I don't plan on having kids of any kind but if I were to have them, they would be nice sounding names that aren't too common but are also easy to pronounce. If I have to, I'll get them different names for the land that we live in. [That's what happened to me. I was named in Chinese and given another name after because it would be such a struggle for people to pronounce Xia Wen.]
Is it a new thing to make a story stand out by giving the character a bad name? And don't say there isn't such thing as a bad name because there totally is. It just depends on what you think constitutes as one. And maybe it all boils down to personal opinion. The author might think their name is gold, some readers will agree and people like me will be like, "dude, did your parents hate you or something?"
Most of the time character names don't bother me but if they're like Hallelujah or America Singer, then that's just blah.. I don't like those names. They just sound rather strange and.. cheesy. I wouldn't stop reading a novel for the name alone, but it would annoy me until halfway into the book, then I would probably get used to it. Nova is actually a pretty name though :D Awesome post <3 Benish | Feminist Reflections
ReplyDeleteAw, thank you! I love Benish too. It sounds awesome with your last name!
DeleteIt's funny, because I wrote a similar (albeit shorter) post about character names and how the weird ones really bugged me because it felt like authors were giving their MCs weird names just to make them special. And I'm like, no, having a strange name does NOT turn you into a special snowflake. Also, it doesn't help that I find characters with names like that to be really pretentious, even though I know it's not their fault...
ReplyDeleteFor me, though, it really comes down to what kind of book I'm reading and how the character is like. If it's a contemporary book and the protag has some weird-ass name like Apple or America (I really despise that name, have to admit), and has an awful personality? DNF'ing it for sure. But if his/her name is horrible but they're likable enough, I'll probably get used to the strangeness and just roll with it. In fantasy novels, it's understandable because the story is set in a different world, with different traditions and practices, so I would HUGELY prefer a unique name over a normal one. (No Sarahs or Ryans in fantasy books, please and thank you.) And I'll probably still continue with the book even if the character was awful, unless other aspects of the book just get so terrible that I can't deal with it anymore.
Does that make me sound biased? I feel like I sound biased. O_O
And yep! Definitely no strange names for my kids, or one of those really common ones (not that I plan on having any too; a certain video on Buzzfeed made me even more convinced that I do not want to have children, lolol). If I did end up having a little girl though, I'd love to name her Hestia. :D And hey, my Chinese name is even harder than yours to pronounce, but I live in an Asian country so it's not too bad. Even now I'm still not sure if my pronunciation of my own name is correct... (It's "Tze May," by the way. xD I have no idea if that's pronounced "Zhi" or "Zee".)
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DeleteIf all the names are different, I'm like - for sure! It's when the name doesn't fit the time and there's no real purpose for it. Sometimes, I visualize what a Sarah is because I know a girl but I'll never be able to visualize a Linoleum.
You don't sound biased, don't worry. It's all about opinion and I'm glad you're so strong in yours!
Hestia is PRETTY! Goddess of the hearth [i think???] in Greek Mytho. I haven't been up with my PJO but i sort of remember it.
aND ASIAN NAMES OMG. Tze? I thought it was zee, tbh. At least the second character is easier to pronounce haha
Well, when I was born, my white grandma thought that I would get teased for my outlandish name and my Indian grandma thought that my name was too ordinary. I like interesting names, because there are a lot of them in my family (my sister has a mongolian name that means dreaming of galloping horses) When I read the Lord of the Rings when I was ten I thought that I should name any potential daughter Galdriel- now I'm not so sure. I go to an international school so names aren't a big deal. I think that people are trying to make their character stand out, which is why they have outlandish names. I don't think that names make a book diverse and I don't think that a diverse book necessarily has diverse names. Interesting discussion :)
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It's interesting how culture affects the naming process, like stated in your example! totally cool. I don't mind unique names that support a diverse character but too often, I read a book where the name is just weird... and that's it. No culture, no diversity. nothing. Just a strange name.
DeleteI agree. I know a lot of people in real life with uncommon names and that's totally cool, but I'm not fond of reading about them in contemporary YA, especially if they're the kind that sound really iffy on your tongue and are basically unpronounceable.
ReplyDeleteHallelujah is actually pretty common. Well, not as common as maybe Anna or Emily, but it's more common than the uncommon names... I'm not making sense. Moving on!
I probably won't stop reading a book because of the character's name alone. It's all up to their personality.
Really? I had no idea. To me, it sounded really strange because the girl was Hailey so I was like... why don't you just call her Hailey and move on with it?
DeleteNormally it irks me a bit when really creepy names are used. Most of the time I think the unique names are beautiful but sometimes I'm just like HAHA NO. Some girl's name is Very in a new book coming out from Harper and I just can't... xD I really want children (maybe 3). I really like the name Tessa.... Is that mean to my child?!
ReplyDeleteOkay... Very is an adverb. It isn't a name. #sorrynotsorry. Unique names CAN be beautiful. I love the names in Snow Like Ashes, for example ;)
DeleteTESSA IS LOVELY. Named after Tessa Gray? Or nah?
This is a really interesting point Nora. I don't usually think about names when I'm reading a book (usually too engrossed in the story for that - haha!) unless they're unusual or downright terrible (America Singer was definitely an example of that). Thanks for sharing this post - I loved reading your thoughts!
ReplyDeleteLOL Nora ;) [I'm taking that as a joke because we're talking about names even if it was an autocorrect mistake. DW.] America Singer is horrible - sounds like some kind of superhero
DeleteOh, yes to this. It makes me really wonder when somebody would decide to name their kid Jesus. And think of North West. North isn't really that bad a name, but then add the West, and it just makes me want to shake my head.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not the parents, it's the authors. :/ I'm so with you on America Singer. Who the hell would name their kid after America? And how convenient, her last name describes her occupation perfectly. The rest of the names Kiera Cass came up with are simply cringe-worthy. Maxon's so pretentious, in a way, and Eadlyn is so weird that you have to wonder where it came from. Somebody tell her she's doing a piss poor job of writing a dystopia, and she should stop trying so hard with the names.
Names can really tick me off, and as you can see, I end up ranting about it. Look at Red Queen. The names for the Silver's annoyed me so much because I thought they were slang. They're just so informal, like Strongarm and Telky. Names are important, because they could set a certain feel, but really, there's no need to give the main character some fancy made up name when it's goddamn weird.
Okay, I'm sorry for ranting. And by the way, Nova's not a bad name! At least it's spellable. People always misspell mine. :D
Jesus is a BAD name for an ordinary person. Can you imagine the kind of pressure put on someone with that name? North West is... what? I don't know why someone would name their kid that for real. If it were a joke name [or even a middle name,] i'd be like. hahah but it isn't...
Deletesometimes, i'd like to think of the authors AS the parents [to their YA hero children] LOLOL I really disliked the Selection too *high five*
I LOVE your name but I've seen like three different way of spelling it: Chanel, Chanelle, Channel [??]. BUT NO S :( So you are unique and i love ya for that
I always feel like I am in the small minority, because I LOVE different names, and most of my characters I build start with a name. To me, a Robin looks a certain way, and looks nothing like an Olivia in my mind. In fact, it does mess with my perception of people in novels. If the MC is named Stacy, I automatically get a little peeved, because I HATE that name. Same with Conner and Michelle. It sometimes can trip me up in a contemporary novel. There are names that can indicate how the novel is going to turn out "America Singer" but I love a novel with an interesting name.
ReplyDeleteSome fantasy novel names do go too far to sound interesting, AKA Mare.
I do agree with that. I tend to visualize my friends when the characters have their names. I hate the names like Tami, Brittany, Stacy and Tiffany when they have mean girl personalities paired with. *shudders*
DeleteI'm ALRIGHT with Connor and Michelle but I can't with Hunter and Tatum.
I love different sounding names and think they are so unique and cool (Compared to my name). In YA, I feel like there's a time and place for unique names. If it's a historical fiction, I expect names from that time period. Would you really see a Beyonce in 1800's England? It all depends on their background and where they came from.
ReplyDeleteI don't put the book down because the MC's name is too weird, that would be ridiculous. But I think if they do have a very interesting, original name, I want some background on the name. Parents name their kids for a reason and I want to know that reason. A book I read last year, The Infinite Moment of Us, there was a character named P.G. We NEVER got to see what his name stood for! I want background and context. Because a meaning behind the name, makes the name million times more important.
DEF agree! The only thing that makes me go O_O is futuristic names because I'm like... what's going to happen to make names like Dianne and Leanne go out of style?
DeleteI have the infinite moment of us but I didn't get into it. Also, the girl's name is Wren and I have a personal hatred with that name because it sounds like a really ugly bird [which i think it is...] It isn't about the name, though. I have bad experiences with Lauren Myracle and reading a book where the character's name is never revealed makes me want to back away
Oh, I so agree! I have a really weird fascination with baby names (even when I also did NOT plan on having any- I just found names fascinating in general), and sometimes I do cringe. I can't help it. There was one time where I DID almost stop reading a book because the name was really dumb and I just didn't want to look at it anymore hah. I wish I could remember which book, it was a book I read this winter! (If I remember it, I will let you know!)
ReplyDeleteNow, I don't have ANY issues with cultural names, or religious names, or basically any name that is actually a NAME given to humans. But my goodness, I have seen some BAD names out there. Like the parents who give the kids a "unique" spelling so the once easily pronounced "Megan" is now "Mayghenn" or some nonsense. I just can't deal with it. Or smush names like "Jessilyn" or "Suzabeth" or something. Just no, parents, please stop. I named my kids Lena and Sam. Those are pretty safe, no?
Back to books! In fantasy and stuff I don't even care if it isn't a "real" name, but just let the reader be able to pronounce it! Because if I can't, then I am probably going to get really annoyed, really fast! This is such a thought provoking post, thanks for sharing it!
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Oooooo I love talking names because I have so many issues with YA names. They can be SO bad and weird. I still cringe about "America Singer" because there is in fact a singer/actress with the name America and I just sorta went ?????? But whatever, Cass, whatever.
ReplyDeleteI think cool names are cool. Like, hey, name your YA character something that you really love. But also name them something that fits THEM and their time period. It's only practical, and it's fair to your reader. Don't name them Zzyxx and have us pronounce it Zy-zach. Like, chill. Please.
I don't think a name would ever prevent me from continuing my read, but I might roll my eyes a LOT. Oops.
Hmm...names? Yikes. If I have a boy I'm definitely naming him Ronan because it's 1) one of my favorite names of all time, 2) a really not-playing-around type of name, and 3) Ronan Lynch, yo. Also, I would 100% name a boy Rhysand because you can just call him Rhys and that's actually a REALLY popular name. But then he can be like "My name is Rhysand" and men/women (who knows what he'll be into lbr) will be like "Sweet baby Jesus" and I'll be a proud mother.
For girl names, my favorite is probably Cosima. Or Elizabeth. But I'd definitely go with Cosima because I ADORE that name. I don't even know why. I heard it on Orphan Black and was like "That's it, that's the name of my future girl child."
omhylord you voiced my thoughts for most dystopian books! Like I get it's the future but what kind of Darth Vader soul do you have to call your kid America Singer??
ReplyDeleteAnd the Mean Girls TM always have such stupid names that immediately suggests their character. A recent release had a Mean Girl with the name of "EmmaBeth Porter". I mean that just screams rich and mean and Regina George to me! And ofcourse, the hot bad boys have a name that's a variation of "Damon/Daemon/Demon" lol
Sometimes I do wonder why all these 'unique' (but also let's face it - weird) names are becoming a thing in YA. Let's face it, do parents IRL actually name their children these strange concoctions of syllables? I don't really know. But, though it isn't necessarily a 'make or break' for me, it definitely can hinder my enjoyment of a book. Fascinating discussion Nova!
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I have, yes. I also couldn't get into HBO's True Blood because of the vampire's name. I mean, when you think of vampires, you think dark, devilish, dangerous, sensual. Your name should something fierce and not...BILL. I mean, come on. Really?! Bill? JFC. So yeah, I flounced on that series because of that name. Lol.
ReplyDeleteMost names don't bother me unless the name is so exotic and made up, even a professional couldn't help me. By then, the author is extremely toasty... and that's not the good kind of toast.
ReplyDeleteI personally prefer a pronunciation guide if an author ever uses words or names that may be hard to pronounce or from another language entirely - never assume all readers can understand Spanish, unless you're Tessa and you can't actually understand PingYing (the English version of Mandarin). Oh, and it's for the fabulous effect of telling readers the characters don't understand, so Google Translate if you choose.
I never got named by my parents - my grandma did. I don't really want to know what horrors my name would have endured. Also, I will never name my kid Daemon. Lux horror stories, know what I mean? :p
Nope...I wouldn't stop reading a book because of a character's name! To me, that'd be like stopping reading because I didn't like the cover or something *shrugs* Names are names. I think there are a lot of badly named books out there. Like names that'd be popular now, but there are these 17 year old kids running around when their names should NOT be so modern and hip. Grrrr. And when fantasy names get all crazy?! I DIE A LITTLE, but it's not a deal breaker.
ReplyDeleteOh this is such an interesting topic. I actually thought it would annoy me a lot that the main character of the Selection was called America Singer and while I don't the name, it wasn't as obvious when reading as it was first person perspective.
ReplyDeleteI have once read a dutch book where one character was called "Opwekking" which means something like excitement or coming alive (it's hard to translate it well), and I just couldn't get around to how weird that name was.
I usually prefer names I can actually remember. I have read a few books where the characater have asian names and I have the hardest time remembering them, I just remember the first letter and blank out and when there are mroe characters with the name first letter it get's confusing fast.
So I think names can be important, I usually prefer it when characaters have different starting letters, I read one book with brothers names that al started with a B, she had 4 or 5 brothers and I could not keep them apart because of their names.
HARDY HARDY HAR (and like the legit laugh that sounds like that, not the sarcastic sound LOL)
ReplyDeleteSo with you. I'm not a fan of all these crazy names lately tbh because you know why?????? IF GIRLFRIEND CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT, SHE CAN'T GUSH IN PUBLIC. Like urgauhroap if they're going to do weird names or hard to pronounce names or names that well, just play on different syllables than the ones that we know with the english language, can't we have a glossary thing at the back that TEACHES us how to pronounce with our syllables. And I'm not saying that as like a cultural disgrace thing (omg I sound so unintelligent sorry I comment at like midnight and after and all the words I have in my mind are "like like like") but I'm saying as in we're writing literary pieces in english and I think it'd be really helpful and readers would love to be able to pronounce the names for themselves, just to really engage in the book? Oh god, I can't tell if that sounds offensive or not and its driving me up the wall because I'm thinking damn jess you're not intending to be offensive but now its out there on the internet and its bound to get someone going. Urgh ignore me.
Fine, want crazy names? Just tell me how to pronounce it--that's all I implore.
When I was younger, I wanted to name my future kiddies such weird things LOL Like I went through this phase where I wanted to name my kid "Tea" BUT pronounced "Tia" cause that's alternative duh. I've gotten over that but everyone thinks my current name obsessions are still weird. I like the sound of Harry but for ma gal, I want the name Alaïs and that pronunciation is something else LOL
I think a lot of names are given from old authors writing YA and trying to be cool and hip. Your character is special, right? So you want them to stand out in every way, including their name. What I don't get is when the parents don't seem like the type at all to name their child that! Like in a contemporary where the parents are strict and straight and unaccepting, having a child with a peculiar name makes you wonder who named them.
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