tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post6299900379243583560..comments2024-03-28T03:19:29.125-04:00Comments on Out of Time: The Representation of Culture in YAUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-38687070622063066162015-08-02T17:01:56.456-04:002015-08-02T17:01:56.456-04:00I think you've misunderstood the situation a l...I think you've misunderstood the situation a little and that's probably my fault. The author didn't JUST "get something wrong," she had a blatantly racist MC without any consequence. But I do understand what it means to other authors. There is so much hatred going on, on both fronts and I wish it would just go away but unfortunately, it can't. <br /><br />We Need DiverseN o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-19309167683190138602015-08-01T21:42:23.290-04:002015-08-01T21:42:23.290-04:00I'm not sure of the specific book that you'...I'm not sure of the specific book that you're referencing here, but I do think it's a shame that people slammed an author personally for getting something wrong. The biggest problem I see with this is that it really discourages people from stepping out of their comfort zones and trying to put diverse characters out there - unfortunately, these really negative situations are what standNicole @ Feed Your Fiction Addictionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637114079800138680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-61442285483118513752015-07-27T23:35:37.939-04:002015-07-27T23:35:37.939-04:00OH SYDNEY YOU IS A GODDESS FOR THIS COMMENT HOT DA...OH SYDNEY YOU IS A GODDESS FOR THIS COMMENT HOT DAMN<br /><br />The problem for me is that it's lacking but then thrown in the mix are authors who think they can get by without research. Naturally, because yes, I totally expected the blast at the author, people will get angry. They will get pissed off and they won't necessarily follow the tagging the author rules that we do. Am I mad at N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-40231693594727738262015-07-27T23:26:45.636-04:002015-07-27T23:26:45.636-04:00in a diverse setting, the setting itself is almost...in a diverse setting, the setting itself is almost like a character - as weird as that sounds. it has to be fully developed and real - just like if it were a high fantasy. and i mean that towards respect to those of that culture. <br /><br />there's SO MUCH about research. i'm not saying you have to go to the place but really, that's the best option. the second best is talking to N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-45676730162669839662015-07-27T23:20:20.026-04:002015-07-27T23:20:20.026-04:00Now that it's been a while since I wrote the p...Now that it's been a while since I wrote the post, i think my perspective is a little different.<br /><br />i talked to some people and realized that i was missing the part about research you're talking about. if the author doesn't bother to do it and gets stuff wrong, sure, it's a mistake but it's a dumb one. And that being said - i knew this was going to happen and i can'N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-46333109121971177012015-07-27T23:15:11.440-04:002015-07-27T23:15:11.440-04:00I don't know how it feels to talk about divers...I don't know how it feels to talk about diversity and not be poc but from what I've seen, it's always better to be silent and learn from those with the personal experiences before writing definitive posts. like even this one is an attempt to encourage discussion. the comments are more intelligent than the actual post - like i intendedN o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-67556741146802977072015-07-27T23:13:45.420-04:002015-07-27T23:13:45.420-04:00chiara this is so insightful, i am very happy.
i ...chiara this is so insightful, i am very happy.<br /><br />i definitely agree with this because unfortunately, the best we can do after a mistake is to learn from it. even though it's a little callous of me to say, i feel like the author should use this experience to learn that racism without any resolution isn't the way to go. i wish the situation could've been handled better, though.N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-58995611723435857362015-07-27T23:11:06.354-04:002015-07-27T23:11:06.354-04:00it was a thing where people called an author out f...it was a thing where people called an author out for their racist main character [where the character never went through any development and her behavior was acceptable.] <br /><br />i don't know if i can agree with this because even if an author thinks its unintentional, the feelings of hurt that readers can feel certainly aren't. and it isn't fair to put, "unintentional" N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-50060938746367646852015-07-27T23:08:25.189-04:002015-07-27T23:08:25.189-04:00as an author, i'm very glad you commented on t...as an author, i'm very glad you commented on this post! <br /><br />i read a book where the author was australian and to be fair, the characters didn't seem much different [the slang was slightly different but that's it.]N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-8027879421169232142015-07-27T23:07:24.087-04:002015-07-27T23:07:24.087-04:001. unfortunately, even though it wasn't intent...1. unfortunately, even though it wasn't intentional, people were still hurt and those feelings are justified. I have no idea why anyone would want to write a book with a racist mc who doesn't go through ANY development so yes, i am being very judgmental about that.<br /><br />2. oh yeah, def agree with this. all the events in the past continuously make people angry and katie stout N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-10975656123450197832015-07-27T23:00:42.412-04:002015-07-27T23:00:42.412-04:00Actually, same. It's been a long time since I&...Actually, same. It's been a long time since I've had such long and conficting comments! It's definitely a LOT daunting.<br /><br />I don't want to call an author out for their racist book unless they're tweeting racist things themselves - then, I think it's in my right. But from what I've read on other comments, I think the reason people were calling the author out is N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-15944740034913496142015-07-25T23:23:39.541-04:002015-07-25T23:23:39.541-04:00I think when an author steps out of their own expe...I think when an author steps out of their own experiences, and attempts to write something they haven't lived with, they run the risk of writing it wrong. We only know our own, personal experiences, and even with research, we aren't going to get another one 100% correct. So, I think, any diverse book written by someone outside of that diversity, it's probably going to get both Chiara @ Books for a Delicate Eternityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04181153932836441611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-46515537890640644642015-07-25T20:37:58.252-04:002015-07-25T20:37:58.252-04:00I really REALLY struggled with this topic this wee...I really REALLY struggled with this topic this week. First of all, where do we draw the line to call out racist books? The whole book that is in question, to me, is a VERY RACIST BOOKS, and the quotes that popped up on Twitter were horrible. Do I think someone should have brought it up? Sure. Was it done properly? No, not at all. Blindsiding someone with that much hate is going to shut down any Lyn Kayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10471867801089862828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-57926437734176203182015-07-25T10:48:30.027-04:002015-07-25T10:48:30.027-04:00First of all, I am extremely impressed that you ma...First of all, I am extremely impressed that you managed to write this post without calling anyone out. Good for you!<br />You have a lot of questions, and I do not have many answers, but I will try my best. <br />The only thing a person (or an author) can is try their best to write a good story. Not every book is going to knock our socks off. Not every book is going to have a great main characterTessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674560920184099297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-63355745519939934042015-07-25T06:37:58.647-04:002015-07-25T06:37:58.647-04:00Well, you know how confused I am about this. On on...Well, you know how confused I am about this. On one hand, we really need more diversity. On the other hand, is it a good thing to have poor representation of all the different cultures in books that will be read by who knows how many people? <br /><br />The only thing I am definite about is to not tag the author when you're being mean and disapproving. Remember that post I asked you to read? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470835214126265307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-46703394394471199202015-07-24T02:47:27.431-04:002015-07-24T02:47:27.431-04:00OHHH BOY. HO-HO-HOOOOO BOY THIS'LL BE FUN. I h...OHHH BOY. HO-HO-HOOOOO BOY THIS'LL BE FUN. I have so many opinions on this topic because I have so many opinions about how people handle this all in general ANYWAY. Disclaimer: if I at any point swear, I do apologize. ;)<br /><br />1) There is a lack of diversity in culture in YA. There's a lack of diversity in books in GENERAL. So many white protagonists, so many straight protagonists...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04109527480775466764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-63164440449509016972015-07-23T18:55:15.123-04:002015-07-23T18:55:15.123-04:00This is such a thought-provoking post! Diversity i...This is such a thought-provoking post! Diversity is something I think about often as a reader, but also as a writer. It can be difficult as I know, even with a ton of research and trying to do everything right, it's still possible to portray a culture or minority in the wrong way.<br /><br />For me, the most important thing I look for is whether or not the characters come across as real Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10127579893748605629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-53516013089854864502015-07-22T20:42:18.039-04:002015-07-22T20:42:18.039-04:00This is really is an interesting post. Very contro...This is really is an interesting post. Very controversial. But important nonetheless. I think I see what you're saying here. It's not okay for the representation of a culture to be inaccurate. But it's not cool to call bad names and basically bully the authors who did it wrong.<br /><br />I think if you're going to write about a different culture, you should be informed. Do your a.n.g.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03667996517318905980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-52507300989994219772015-07-22T18:56:14.198-04:002015-07-22T18:56:14.198-04:00See, this is why I'm reaching out to you about...See, this is why I'm reaching out to you about this, because at your age (a whole 8 years ago, my God) I would've felt the same way. I would have also found my methods unproductive and more emotional than rational.<br /><br />But as time goes on, I spend more and more time educating people about racism and xenophobia and various other prejudices I face when the resources for learning Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00263036537086710017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-41789363686214371352015-07-22T15:42:46.372-04:002015-07-22T15:42:46.372-04:00yeah, i don't really understand why the author...yeah, i don't really understand why the author didn't do research [or enough.] i know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but i am interested to hear the author's side of things [but without it being excuse-y]<br /><br />connie, i'm literally this gif: http://outoftimebookblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-representation-of-culture-in-ya.html?showComment=1437593630992#N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-69306478318958302992015-07-22T15:33:50.992-04:002015-07-22T15:33:50.992-04:00Hi Erin!
i just wanted to say that i'm very g...Hi Erin!<br /><br />i just wanted to say that i'm very glad you commented on this. twitter has that character limit so after reading this comment, i think i understand everything better. especially since how i've heard your intentions.<br /><br />i will admit, when i first read the tweet, i rt-ed instantly because i agree. the quotes are awful and racist. i wish this book wasn't N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-29767640099710164892015-07-22T15:26:41.770-04:002015-07-22T15:26:41.770-04:00i've watched a few english tv shows and there ...i've watched a few english tv shows and there are differences [that i didn't even know!] in their mannerisms and way of speaking. however, they aren't the stereotypes and it bothers me that instead of people having common knowledge about cultures, people have stereotypes which aren't helpful at all.N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-17932004018938772632015-07-22T15:25:19.276-04:002015-07-22T15:25:19.276-04:00the worst is when authors THINK they've done r...the worst is when authors THINK they've done research and really it isn't. then things just get really bad.N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-48713629216391466852015-07-22T15:24:13.444-04:002015-07-22T15:24:13.444-04:00Yes, I agree with this too. simone elkeles' pe...Yes, I agree with this too. simone elkeles' perfect chemistry series featured hispanic culture and i heard about people who loved it/hates it and are hispanic. american culture is the easiest to write because most authors live it. not all authors live{d} in another country and experience the customs. <br /><br />i hate it when authors get criticized for not being diverse enough. if you want N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052411094920281911.post-26094034266125333412015-07-22T15:20:44.891-04:002015-07-22T15:20:44.891-04:00yes, of course. if they don't research correct...yes, of course. if they don't research correctly, things get problematic and while i could NEVER say the author was "asking for it," what happened is what i expected people to do. people who don't know the culture could read the book and THAT'S how stereotypes spread. an ignorant book encourages ignorant people and it needs to be stopped.N o v a - Z a yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06071319586825957117noreply@blogger.com